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100221 - Reading #1 - pg 7


By Larry D. - Posted on 21 February 2010

For the first few weeks we'll include the entire reading to give participants a chance to acquire the book. (see the Welcome post for details).
Discussion questions are located on the bottom of this post.  Glad to have you aboard!
 
Excerpts from Mere Christianity by CS Lewis (1898-1963)
 

  1. How Much of Myself Must I Give

The ordinary idea which we all have before we become Christians is this. We take as the starting point our ordinary self with its various desires and interests. We then admit that something else – call it “morality” or “decent behaviour”, or “the good of society” – has claims on this self: claims which interfere with its own desires. What we mean by “being good” is giving in to those claims. Some of the things the ordinary self wanted to do turn out to be what we call “wrong”: well, we must give them up. Other things turn out to be what we call “right”: well, we shall have to do them.
 
But we are hoping all the time that when all the demands have been met, the poor natural self will still have some chance, and some time, to get on with its own life and do what it likes. In fact, we are very like an honest man paying his taxes. He pays them all right, but he does hope that there will be enough left over for him to live on. Because we are still taking our natural self as the starting point.
 

  1. Two Results

As long as we are thinking that way, one or the other of two results is likely to follow: Either we give up trying to be good, or else we become very unhappy indeed. For, make no mistake: if you are really going to try to meet all the demands made on the natural self, it will not have enough left over to live on. The more you obey your conscience, the more your conscience will demand of you. And your natural self, which is thus being starved and hampered and worried at every turn, will get angrier and angrier.
 
In the end, you will either give up trying to be good, or else become on of those people who, as they say, “live for others” but always in a discontented, grumbling way – always wondering why the others do not notice it more and always making a martyr of yourself. And once you have become that you will be a far greater pest to anyone who has to live with you than you would have been if you had remained frankly selfish.
 

  1. Harder and Easier

The Christian way is different: harder, and easier. Christ says, “Give me All. I don’t want so much of your time and so much of your money and so much of your work: I want You. I have not come to torment your natural self, but to kill it. no half-measures are any good. I don’t want to cut off a branch here and a branch there, I want to have the whole tree down. Hand over the whole natural self, all the desires which you think innocent as well as the ones you think wicked – the whole outfit. I will give you a new self instead. In fact, I will give you Myself: my own will shall become yours.”
 
Both harder and easier than what we are all trying to do. You have noticed, I expect, that Christ Himself sometimes describes the Christian way as very hard, sometimes as very easy. He says, “Take up your Cross” – in other words, it is like going to be beaten to death in a concentration camp. Next minute he says, “My yoke is easy and my burden light.” He means both.  And one can just see why both are true.
 

  1. The Most Dangerous Thing

Teachers will tell you that the laziest boy in the class is the one who works the hardest in the end. They mean this. If you give two boys, say, a proposition in geometry to do, the one who is prepared to take trouble will try to understand it. the lazy boy will learn it by heart because, for the moment, that needs less effort. But six months later, when they are preparing for the exam, that lazy boy is doing hours and hours of miserable drudgery over things the other boy understands, and positively enjoys, in a few minutes.
 
Laziness means more work in the long run. Or look at it this way. In a battle, or in mountain climbing, there is often one thing which it takes a lot of pluck to do; but it is also, in the long run, the safest thing to do. If you funk it, you will find yourself, hours later, in far worse danger. The cowardly thing is also the most dangerous thing.
 

  1. The Almost Impossible Thing

It is like that here. The terrible thing, the almost impossible thing, is to hand over your whole self – all your wishes and precautions – to Christ. But it is far easier than what we are trying to do instead. For what we are trying to do is to remain what we call “ourselves”, to keep personal happiness as our great aim in life, and yet at the same time be “good”. We are all trying to let our mind and heart go their own way – centred on money or pleasure or ambition – and hoping, in spirit of this, to behave honestly and chastely and humbly.
 
And that is exactly what Christ warned us you could not do. As he said, a thistle cannot produce figs. If I am a field that contains nothing but grass-seed, I cannot produce wheat. Cutting the grass may keep it short: but I shall still produce grass and no wheat. If I want to produce wheat, the change must go deeper than the surface. I must be ploughed up and resown.
 

  1. Listening to That Other Voice

That is why the real problem of the Christian life come where people do not usually look for it. it comes the very moment you wake up each morning. All your wishes and hopes for the day rush at you like wild animals. And the first job each morning consists simply in shoving them all back; in listening to that other voice, taking that other point of view, letting that other larger, stronger, quieter life come flowing in. and so on, all day. Standing back from all your natural fussings and frettings; coming in out of the wind.
 
We can only do it for moments at first. But from those moments the new sort of life will be spreading through our system: because now we are letting him work at the right part of us. It is the difference between paint, which is merely laid on the surface, and a dye or stain which soaks right through.
 
He never talked vague, idealistic gas. When he said, “Be perfect,” he meant it. he meant that we must go in for the full treatment. It is hard; but the sort of compromise we are all hankering after is harder – in fact, it is impossible. It may be hard for an egg to turn into a bird: it would be a jolly sight harder for it to learn to fly while remaining an egg. We are like eggs at present. And you cannot go on indefinitely being just an ordinary, decent egg. We must be hatched or go bad.
 

  1. The Reason the Church Exists

May I come back to what I said before? This is the whole of Christianity. There is nothing else. It is so easy to get muddled about that. It is easy to think that the Church has a lot of different objects – education, building, missions, holding services. Just as it is easy to think the State has a lot of different objects – military, political, economic, and what not.
 
But in a way things are much simpler than that. The State exists simply to promote and to protect the ordinary happiness of human beings in this life. A husband and wife chatting over a fire, a couple of friends having a game of darts in a pub, a man reading a book in his own room or digging in his own garden – that is what the State is there for. And unless they are helping to increase and prolong and protect such moments, all the laws, parliaments, armies, courts, police, economics, etc., are simply a waste of time.
 
In the same way the Church exists for nothing else but to draw men into Christ, to make them little Christs. If they are not doing that, all the cathedrals, clergy, missions, sermons, even the Bible itself, are simply a waste of time. God became Man for no other purpose. It is even doubtful, you know, whether the whole universe was created for any other purpose. It says in the Bible that the whole universe was made for Christ and that everything is to be gathered together in him.
 

  1. Becoming a Part of the Plan

I do not suppose any of us can understand how this will happen as regards the whole universe. We do not know what (if anything) lives in the parts of it that are millions of miles from this Earth. Even on this Earth we do not know how it applies to things other than men. After all, that is what you would expect. We have been shown the plan only in so far as it concerns ourselves.
 
What we have been told is how we can be drawn into Christ – can become part of that wonderful present which the young Prince of the universe wants to offer his Father – that present which is himself and therefore us in him. It is the only thing we were made for. And there are strange, exciting hints in the Bible that when we are drawn in, a great many other things in Nature will begin to come right. The bad dream will be over: it will be morning.
 
Bible Selection: Luke 14:25-33
 
 
REFLECTION QUESTIONS:

  1. CS Lewis stresses the need to give all areas of our lives to God. what do you find most difficult about giving all to God?
  2. Describe how you would feel if Jesus came to you and spoke the words Lewis quotes in section 3 (“Christ says, ‘Give me All. I don’t want…’”).
  3. According to Lewis, the hardest road we can take in life is the one that appears the easiest (e.g. the boy who waits until the end of the semester to cram for a test). How have your experiences confirmed or denied his claim?
  4. the pursuit of personal happiness by being morally good, says Lewis, ends in frustration. What is his reasoning behind this? Do you agree or disagree?
  5. In Luke 14:25-33, Jesus encourages those who would follow him to “count the cost” of being one of his disciples. What has being a Christian cost you?

 
So, is Christianity hard or easy?
 
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I loved the illustration of the lazy boy who worked at understanding the math problem that showed that a small amount of effort saved him significant time later and helped develop a love of the geometry. (In my dreams! I’d post this paragraph in my classroom if I thought I could convince my students to think that far ahead.) For me, it’s true. At school I was the one who did her homework nightly and worked on essays for weeks. I could never get by doing ‘the cramming thing’, and was secretly jealous of my friends who could. I thought I was at a disadvantage to have to work so hard. Now, I realize, I was not at a disadvantage, but in fact, am now benefiting from the habits I developed (of my parents forced me to develop) as a younger person.

 
With my faith life, it makes sense to put the same focus and work into learning and living the fundamentals of Christianity. I value the opportunities at Faith UC to explore ideas through the learning calendar. Growing up, however, I’m sure I did more ‘painting’ than ‘staining’ and in my adult years so far, I have been working at making up ground. Still feeling, that the road can be hard. Often not finding the path clear as busy lives clutter up the scenery.
 
I am looking forward to “devotional classics” to have another weekly touch with thoughts and ideas which are meaningful. It is like holding hands while walking down the road – the road is easier to find that way.
 

I had an interesting conversation with a family member this morning.  We were talking about life as a teenager and somehow the talk came around to morals in regards to wealth.  He said that he had observed that when someone in high school had wealth [ie. a car] they tended to be more cruel to those who had less.  I offered the suggestion, stolen from Oprah,  who said that wealth does not change people. She offered that when a person is given wealth they just become more of what they already are. So if they were already generous, they become more generous; and, likewise if they were already arrogant, they become more arrogant.  I told him this is why it is important to have a moral system in place and how much easier it is to manage things like wealth when you allow for God.  He said he didn't believe in God all the same, although he could agree with the basis of the argument. I suggested that to believe in God is a responsibility, and he readily agreed.  He was thoughtful for a minute, then added. "I don't want that responsibility."  But I think the thought  of taking on that unwanted responsibility snuck in there anyway.  Another cost.

 I tend to agree with CS Lewis   Seeking happiness in being 'morally good' seems to imply an expectation of re-payment or entitlement to reward, for compliance with the 'rules'.  The tricky part here is which rule book you are guided by.  For many, the moral rule book is driven by society and political correctness and there is definitely disappointment in an entitlement mentality.
 
However, change the rule book and it's an entirely different story!  Look at Christ's summation of the ten commandments in Matthew 22:34-40....Love God with all your heart, your soul and your mind, and your neighbour as yourself.  I really think this is the secret sauce and a much simpler rule book to follow!
 

I love your analogy, Barb! 

What has being a Christian cost me?
I have been told by a dearly loved family member, that I am delusional. My belief in God is a safety net. At times I think I am held to a higher standard, one I know I can’t possibly live up to. There is a school of thought out there that says that if you are going to claim to be a Christian than you should be perfect. There doesn’t seem to be room for the idea that perfection is in the journey, nor that perfection’s impossibility is the reason we need God. I feel at times that I am put on the level of country bumpkin when I mention my religion, as if believe in God is a sort of eccentric but harmless lunacy.

Your family sounds like mine. It is really hard sometimes to stick to my convictions when I have to deal with condescending remarks and rolling eyes.  What I cling to is the impact God has had on my life many times in the past - some of which I only recognize in hindsight, I must admit.  I know God is and is at work in the world.  I've seen it.  I had a staff member tell me once that seeing isn't believing, believing is seeing.  I strive to see.  I'm not always successful and I get discouraged just like everyone else, but I remind myself that God is. 

CS Lewis stresses the need to give all areas of our lives to God. What do you find most difficult about giving all to God?
Giving all to God feels too much like jumping out of a plane without a parachute. I realize God is the parachute, but still it feels like free falling. I think there is a muddled affinity between giving all to God and simply letting go of responsibility, like the guy who doesn’t pay his bills because he feels his prayers to win a lottery will one day be answered. It is too much like throwing pennies into a wishing well. It feels careless to some extent, maybe even too like the foolhardy flip side of the notion of "the devil made me do it." It seems to me that one could easily lean too far back into these arms and lose all sense of personal accountability. There just seems to be such a sense of reckless abandon to it all, like blindly driving a car into a wall. I continually try to hand over my concerns to God, and by this I mean that I try to trust that by handing my worries to God that either a solution will come to me or that over time I will reach a new insight that will comfort me or force me to grow. Yet, my mind continues to tenaciously hold on to whatever I have just so sincerely "handed over to God". I have wasted a lot of time replaying and rewinding scenes from my life, as if studying it all in more and more minute detail will somehow produce a different scene. What I have to face each time is the knowledge that I don’t really trust God. "God’s busy," I think, or "I have bored God to tears with my painfully ceaseless prattle." I can’t quite believe that God has time to really deal properly with my life. Surely he will overlook me. I have never won a contest in my life, was always picked last for team sports, was once left in a parking lot by my parents, etc. It’s a sad tale. It is hard to let go of the notion that only I can be counted on to take care of my life, despite the many many times I have let myself down in one way or another. I have given much of myself to God, but there is something I am holding back. It’s been like trying to give my whole self to a God who I still don’t trust with the grocery list but depend on for the groceries. I would lose my sense of security, my illusion of self sufficiency.

 I hear ya!  I'm in management and we like to be in control.  Giving away control is just not what we like to do.  And I'm a mother - from a long line of mothers who like to be in control.  The hardest things I've ever done have included giving away some control.  I can't say that it has always worked out for me, but I also know that holding onto control hasn't always worked out for me either.  It's tough.  Hang in there.

I think it is important to keep in mind  "the high price you have been paying by keeping [those areas] under your control." [pg. 18] It certainly is food for thought isn't it?  And  thanks for your reply.

I just wanted to pop in and say I'm enjoying the comments so far. Thanks for being brave and posting first!
A reminder that we're hoping to hear at least a quick comment from everyone who's participating. I honestly don't know how many of us there are - but I know there are more coming!
For me, I've always had a love-hate relationship with CS Lewis. I find I frequently love what he has to say but often dislike his motivation for saying it. But that's a story for another day.
As to the basic question of "is Christianity hard or easy" my initial response is "yes". But that isn't all that helpful - so I'd say that it starts out hard and then gets progressively easier the deeper your journey into God goes.  I just watched a YouTube video of Rick Mercer and Rick Hansen going bungee jumping! They were terrified - Mercer nearly didn't go - but when they took the leap they found the journey exhilerating. Hard at first - but I bet they'd go again, and it would be much easier.
I generally like this reading. I love the concept of "surrender" to God - I think it's foundational. But it ain't always easy...
LD

For me personally, the hardest area to give over to God is control.  Since having my children, I think control has become very important to me.  The important notion of 'handing over your whole self' can seem so impossible at times, but I know that it can be an easier path. 
It is like when you are facing a large problem, could be anything, but it takes over you, you become obsessed with it in a sense, and it starts to affect every aspect of your life, sleeping, eating ETC.  But when you finally just 'Give it to God', pray on it and take the burden off of yourself the problem usually subsides in some way.  It may not be the outcome you desired mind you.
 
I guess that is what I got from this reading, and what is meant by the 'easy'....when you make your problems Gods problems ... they seem to much easier to handle.

I agree with your comment about obsession and how it can steal your life.  About ten years ago I was facing a situation that had stolen my life and I prayed a lot for God to take my burden, but it wasn't a permanent handover.  It was like my own personal respite program where God carried my stuff for a while so I could rest and be refreshed to take it back up the next day with a clearer frame of mind.  I wrote a song about it:
"I remember my mother saying that God is always fair,
God never gives us burdens that the two of us can't share.
But this time I just can't make it so grant me this one request,
Take this weight for a few short hours, so I can get some rest.
Please hold my burden, God, not for forever, just for tonight.
Please hold my burden, God, I'll take it back when the morning meets the night.
Sometimes it's such a struggle to face another day,
But I know my children rely on me to chase their fears away.
So I drag my body out of bed, I'm strong for them all day
And when they fall asleep at night, that's when I start to pray.
Please hold my burden, God....."

I read an interesting quote today - can't remember who it was by. It went something like: "No bridge was meant to bear the weight of an entire year's worth of cars at once."
Hmm...

Love the analogy - are those GM cars BTW?  And is the bridge in Laval?

Heheh  - I am delighted,
As an engineer I might feel slighted,
if it weren't for - the metaphor.
OK, It's not really about cars (any car), it's about the days (of our lives), and its not a bridge, it's about our burden carrying capacity, n'est pas? )
Mind you, if the cars were from Toyota and they drove uncontrollably fast over the bridge...do we really "carry"?
Now that you've opened the car door, I feel for the CEO of Toyota. To paraphrase "No  (man on the) bridge was meant to bear the weight of an entire year's worth of (recalled) cars at once."
 
Shalom,
SK

 Hence, depending on the state of the bridge (and I misquote): "One car at a time"
 
Shalom,
SK
 

I have tried to post comments several times now and am stuck for words each time I open this screen.  I've come to conclusion that saying what I think has a cost attached to it that maybe I haven't fully considered yet.  Committing my thoughts to this forum is quite permanent (barring the edit feature) and I'm just not ready to give my reaction yet.  Maybe it's because I lost my temper at work today and had real difficulty doing what I think is the right thing, that I'm stuck for words. Was I struggling to do the "right" thing because I believe it to be right or because procedures deem that action to be correct, or because it is right?  I'll come back to this.

Following are my comments to discussion points 1 & 2.
Now, more than before, Iam finding it easier to let go of my 'all' to God.  However, I am not fully there yet!  I feel that if I let go of the 'all', that I may be loosing a sense of control of the outcome, or afraid of the outcome (that I may not like it).  What has helped me is knowing that God has plans for me, and that I can get through anything by letting go of my 'all' to him. 

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